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Post by littlemouse on Jan 20, 2015 18:18:25 GMT 1
good word that sabjac seems
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Post by JohnP on Jan 20, 2015 22:18:33 GMT 1
In my opinion(and I am sure someone will challenge me on this), I think the European politicians need to wake up. Anybody who leaves "their country" to go and fight for the Islamic state should have their passport cancelled and be banned from ever returning to that country. If that makes them stateless then let them go and live in the country they were fighting for. What is that I hear? human rights? In this senario we are dealing with murderers, rapists, child killers and torturers. Not human beings in my book. If you want the luxury of human rights, learn to be a human beings. What a wonerful idea,strip them of their passport and make them stateless.How many people are we talking about?Lets say,for arguements sake,1000,thats 1000 people floating around in a nether world,meanwhile back in their "home" country they have family, mother and father at least,this now makes, just for ease of calculation,2000 potential in situ "terrorists".Just because you have decided to make their children stateless.Now add in their siblings and friends and who knows how many more "active terrorists" you have created.In the meantime you now have to pay for the policing of these "so called terrorists",not to mention the cost of years in court costs that will ensue from the inevitable court cases due to the stateless person being made stateless.Where do these stateless people live?In the country they were fighting for you say but what happends if that country has been wiped off the map? who then pays for that or are you dumping the problem on someone else? Stripping them of their passport makes no sense,better to let them return and use them to disuade others from following the same route as them.But then again knee jerk reactions and ill thought out policies have brought us to where we are now. Yes, let them all back in to spread their twisted evil beliefs on to all the other "vulnerable disaffected" young followers, because in the UK there is a pathetic worthless shower of idiots running the country with a home office that couldn't keep anything out, protect anyone or deport anyone once they are in so it is all irrelevant anyway.
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Post by JohnP on Jan 21, 2015 8:10:29 GMT 1
no argument from me either jp i see that charlie hebdo print run now exceeds 7 million Does that mean I'l get my copy soon? Lol I got a copy last Monday but I had to order it. Ask at your local presse.
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Post by littlemouse on Jan 21, 2015 9:34:02 GMT 1
"jp wrote.Yes, let them all back in to spread their twisted evil beliefs on to all the other "vulnerable disaffected" young followers, because in the UK there is a pathetic worthless shower of idiots running the country with a home office that couldn't keep anything out, protect anyone or deport anyone once they are in so it is all irrelevant anyway."
Oh the same as the"twisted evil beliefs" of say the late Ian Paisley, oswald mosely, Gerry Adams or Martin Mcguinness.How about the catholic church as a whole if you really want to see the "vunerable and disaffected" used and abused.
Where do you deport your own citizens to? because Australia wont take them anymore.
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Post by JohnP on Jan 21, 2015 10:46:23 GMT 1
LM said
Where do you deport your own citizens to? because Australia wont take them anymore.[/quote]
Australia has got it right. Cancelling their passports would have the effect of not allowing them back in to "their" country and I am not just talking about the UK. Why should we care where they go, If they think a country is good enough to fight for then surely it is good enough to live in, or maybe it is just an excuse to go and vent their evil hatred on anyone who does not follow their sick beliefs. Either way, why would any country want to be host to such deluded evil.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 11:27:36 GMT 1
They should be hung for treason in my opinion.They are basically " biting the hand that feeds ".The British government is weak,scared of it's own shadow,frightened to do anything which might have an effect.There will be an atrocity on British soil soon,it is well overdue. The emergency services have been warned to expect it. As soon as something happens people will be baying for the blood of these scum, then maybe something will be done.
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Post by littlemouse on Jan 21, 2015 16:39:38 GMT 1
What happends if the place they were fighting for is lost, which could happen? By your reckoning all those who went to fight in Spain in the thirties, should have been deported when their side lost
Hung for treason love it, but not really an arguement is it, sorry forgot revenge by the state is OK.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 20:43:26 GMT 1
We are not the politicians,who supposedly run the countries.They should have the answers to what happens to these people. Years ago they would have been hung for treason.Some things have improved,punishment for people who take the pee out of the country they live in has not.Apart from letting them back in so they, hopefully ,share their ,hopefully ,negative experiences and, hopefully, this will discourage others from walking the same path,what are your ideas for how to deal with this Littlemouse?
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Post by JohnP on Jan 22, 2015 8:31:05 GMT 1
We are not the politicians,who supposedly run the countries.They should have the answers to what happens to these people. Therein lies the problem. In the UK the country is run by this elitist group of clueless idiots who come from privilaged backgrounds, educated through public schools and top universities based on wealth not ability. They have all the qualifications to get them elected, money and a masters degree in bullsh*t and creative accounting protected by the judicial system ond the old boys society. The fact that they fail their voters at every turn does not matter because there is no comeback. When they are replaced by another bunch of clueless detached morons(the only option)they will sit in ineffective opposition until the next change of government. the result is a home office that to use their own words, "is not fit for purpose" and a home secretary who is as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike. As far as I can see, European politicians are no better, clueless,arrogant, self opinionated, and rich. Until this cycle in the UK is broken, nothing will change and the lies and manipulation of the facts to suit their purpose will continue and the countries problems will persist.
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Post by littlemouse on Jan 22, 2015 8:46:34 GMT 1
Therein lies the problem. In the UK the country is run by this elitist group of clueless idiots who come from privilaged backgrounds, educated through public schools and top universities based on wealth not ability. They have all the qualifications to get them elected, money and a masters degree in bullsh*t and creative accounting protected by the judicial system ond the old boys society. The fact that they fail their voters at every turn does not matter because there is no comeback. When they are replaced by another bunch of clueless detached morons(the only option)they will sit in ineffective opposition until the next change of government. the result is a home office that to use their own words, "is not fit for purpose" and a home secretary who is as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike. As far as I can see, European politicians are no better, clueless,arrogant, self opinionated, and rich. Until this cycle in the UK is broken, nothing will change and the lies and manipulation of the facts to suit their purpose will continue and the countries problems will persist. Well thats the first thing we agree on.I need a lie down
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