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Post by judith on Jul 6, 2013 16:25:02 GMT 1
I love this forum because people explain the human side of their struggles, joys and interests. That way, I feel there is respect for each other in our comments, even if we do all come from different walks of life and don't always agree.
I've just read the other forum. What a lot of miserable moaners, all going round in circles over one or two points raised!
I agree, personal insults are unnecessary.
(ps I am neither a pensioner, nor an ex-pat, but a city dwelling shopaholic who just loves everything French! I'd probably get eaten alive on AngloInfo!)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2013 16:29:03 GMT 1
I've been flitting between the UK and France. I've grown a few hundred ash trees over there.
When I'm there I use a wood-burning stove. Scarcely any electricity.
To pick up on the point about relative values, to cut my own wood to the value of £200 would take me 1 day. So if we're not rich in cash, be rich in wood. And vegetables.
While I pursue these lines of thought out of (intellectual)interest, they're saying something to me more.
The economic downturn is creating uncertainties, and hardship, which are not going to go away. Emerging economies are re-defining who shall be rich, and who poor.
IMO, we must change our expectations, to match the new reality. We may well not be looked after from the cradle to the grave.
400 square metres of land. 200 for wood. 200 for veg. Be rich in another way.
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Post by Ali on Jul 6, 2013 19:49:50 GMT 1
Annon - "400 square metres of land. 200 for wood. 200 for veg. Be rich in another way." Will not the wood shade and drought the veggies in 400m2? Just a thought from my little brain cell (singular) Pete - Thank you for your comments there, that's made my night. We've been running since Feb 10 and have never 'slid' yet Judith is right - we have respect. Long may that continue. I must admit sometimes when I see overly healthy discussion here I often wonder where it will lead, however, myself and Troll try to stay aside just as long as nobody is upset (thats wrong isn't it - coz if nobody is upset who is nobody? Nobody doesn't exist - daft language)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2013 20:12:17 GMT 1
Dear Ali, I've learned a great deal from your insights into our language but have hitherto not considered the 'daft' nature of it. Thank you for enriching my life with your observations.
On the other hand, I am somehow impoverished, reduced and made small by your assuming that the trees should be grown close to the vegetables. This juxtaposition is rarely, if ever, succesfull.
The point I was making was that the growing of trees on this scale, and of vegetables on a similar scale, but not next to each other, is within the capability of the average joe, with even a small garden, by French standards, and that if we were to embrace the idea we would at least be in touch with the new economic reality, and bring a workable and sustainable solution to a problem.
Yours faithfully
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Post by Ali on Jul 6, 2013 20:17:14 GMT 1
Don't be Annon, and I am sure you are really not. Only mentioned the 400m2 coz I'd been to see a property yesterday with 400m2 and trees and at that time I wondered how the two could mix, it's not a large patch of land. Pure coincidence that you should remark on 400m2 and I was pondering............
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2013 20:38:28 GMT 1
No, it isn't a large plot of land, Ali. Have you noticed, BTW, how the French in the countryside plant up their front gardens with vegetables? No attempt to lay to lawn and impress anyone. Downright practicality - space equals productive capacity - you could say they've always been in touch with economic reality....
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Post by JohnP on Jul 19, 2013 6:58:59 GMT 1
I've been flitting between the UK and France. I've grown a few hundred ash trees over there. When I'm there I use a wood-burning stove. Scarcely any electricity. To pick up on the point about relative values, to cut my own wood to the value of £200 would take me 1 day. So if we're not rich in cash, be rich in wood. And vegetables. While I pursue these lines of thought out of (intellectual)interest, they're saying something to me more. The economic downturn is creating uncertainties, and hardship, which are not going to go away. Emerging economies are re-defining who shall be rich, and who poor. IMO, we must change our expectations, to match the new reality. We may well not be looked after from the cradle to the grave. 400 square metres of land. 200 for wood. 200 for veg. Be rich in another way. I have a reasonable amount of land here and while I do grow some veg and fruit, growing trees for wood to burn would be a long term project. I think by the time they were big enough to provide fuel I would be old, cold and too weak to pull the starter cord on my chain saw..........
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