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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2013 18:23:48 GMT 1
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Post by troll on Jan 6, 2013 18:27:21 GMT 1
Was it Cassius Clay, aka Mohammad Ali who said "float like a butterfly, sting like a bee"?  |
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Post by Fli on Jan 6, 2013 18:35:41 GMT 1
Was it Cassius Clay, aka Mohammad Ali who said "float like a butterfly, sting like a bee"? OK "honey" you can "bee" whatever you want to "bee" |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2013 18:46:52 GMT 1
The 'sting like a bee' bit is easy to believe...
Floating, butterfly-like, is more size-zero aspirational dreaming, I think,..... therefore I am....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2013 13:54:46 GMT 1
Established pasture. Grassland. Lawn. Broad-leaved grasses. In answering the question Your Soil Good Enough? I'm able to assert that it is, if in the previous season it was grass....
Not only is it good enough to support the whole range of vegetables that we grow, but it needs no addition of lime or manure, not for the next 3 years, and if you box clever it needs no watering either....
This quality of soil is a benchmark. Every season I bring new areas into cultivation based on it. On different sites, so with different underlying soils....
Every year we move further and further away from this benchmark. Until we end up with a run-down tired plot. Yours is somewhere between these 2 extremes. Where?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2013 18:14:29 GMT 1
..... the benchmark soil contains the equivalent of 1 barrowful of well-composted manure or compost per m2...
If we assume that Pandj's plot is run-down then the above rate of manuring is implied.....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2013 21:16:09 GMT 1
.....and a run-down plot is also lacking in lime, or assumed to be in the absence of a soil analysis...
I spread lime now, @ 100grms/m2 (hydrated lime). So important is it to Soil Science I don't even try to understand all of what it does... It's cheap and easy to apply and not worth skimping on...
I differ from the troll person in that the advice to avoid applying lime where manure is spread relates to fresh manure, which I don't apply, and so I apply the lime now and composted manure in two months. I haven't had any noticeable adverse consequences.
Heavy dressings of manure can't be effective if there's a lime shortage in the soil. The whole chemistry of the soil is upset by a shortage. At 100grms/m2 this is not enough to create a problem with the manure, in my experience, if the manure is already composted....
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Post by troll on Jan 7, 2013 21:28:30 GMT 1
whoops, hell is about to freeze over!!!!  I agree with annon.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2013 0:31:41 GMT 1
How do you find out if there is enough Lime in the soil,and do you need this for plants?I have put the right fertilizer with the plants when planting them,is that enough to start them off being happy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2013 8:33:27 GMT 1
Dear sabjac, I think you're referring to ornamental plants and not veg, in which case I wouldn't worry...
In the absence of a soil test - you can buy pH meters quite cheaply but they're only accurate as a rough check - let's always assume that our soil is OK, average, good enough for ornamental plantings....
Ornamental plants which like a lot of lime will still get by with lower levels. Those that don't like lime will still tolerate some. So for me, it's not worth worrying about for ornamentals....
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