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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 21:07:08 GMT 1
Disappointed that no-one could/would come back at me with my final assertion that all the squinnying about Brexit now looks rather silly...
Is it because you feel utterly trounced in debate? That you now feel rather naïve and silly? That you swallowed everything being pumped at you, that Brexit was going to be Black or White, and that your 'Me' perspective, dressed up as a clarion call for The Greater Interest, was a misinformed, egocentric piece of numptiness ??
I think that it is, and that you're not big enough to admit it.
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Post by jackie on Aug 20, 2017 20:04:16 GMT 1
The next few weeks should be interesting, UK parliament reconvening after summer recess, further Brexit positioning papers published. What has been published so far points to having all the trade benefits of being in the EU without actually being in the EU, having the master patissier's cake and eating it all. Cloud Cuckoo land. Meanwhile all those pesky experts with their tedious years of study ate more and more pointing out the folly of the whole exercise. The anti-Brexit mobvement has been quietly gathering momentum since the General Election and to me Brexit is looking more and more unlikely....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 20:32:16 GMT 1
Phew! Jackie your post goes perilously close to agreeing with me. and I'm not used to that on this forum.
But there's still a hint that you see Brexit as Black or White, In or Out, and we all know (or should know by now) that it isn't as simple as that...
Published 'position papers' are all we've got to keep us 'informed'. That position papers are nothing more than a negotiating stance, full of pumped-up bluster, without any realistic likelihood of their actually coming to anything, or if they do then at the expense of something else, is within the nature of 'negociations' and so I see it all as one big game, played out by people in power, backed-up by chums in high places, and dressed up as some sort of success...
The free movement of labour is already reported as likely to continue, with some limits placed on the right to work in the UK, but those limits are nothing compared with the expectations of the anti-immigration voters who bought into Brexit in the first place.......
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Post by lib on Aug 20, 2017 20:50:57 GMT 1
Yep all the signs are pointing to a classic fudge, it may be slow moving but looks inevitable.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 21:25:50 GMT 1
A young Spanish couple visited us, accompanied by their parents, who spoke not a word of English...
She, the young woman, did all the talking in English, while they, the visiting parents, jabbered at her in Spanish. I exchanged polite courtesies with them, as far as my Spanish would allow.
If you want to see a vision of the future, know that Brexit is not a leap into the unknown. Romanians, Latvians and anyone with the will and drive to better themselves will hammer on the doors of our shores until we die...
Who can blame them? Would we do the same? It's here to stay. Celebrate it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2017 13:16:43 GMT 1
...And there's nothing unknown about the overwhelming tendency of those with the will to succeed to triumph over those who just can't be ars*d.
Brexit will never stop the indomitable spirit of some of God's children. They'll get here illegally if they have to. they'll live in squalor if they have to. They'll work 12 hours a day on minimum wage if they have to.....
So it is that the fields of Southern England are worked by gangs of European immigrants, living in trailer parks, so that fat, benefits-dependent Brits can buy cheap food from their supermarket.......
For every dodgy gang of Romanian pick-pockets there is a legion of grafters. Why is it, do you think, that The Economist, a respected journal read by World Leaders, ( but not by those who prefer The Daily Mail) states that there is a net benefit to the UK economy provided by European immigration?
We've been here before. Post-war immigration from The Caribbean manned the buses. Post-independence India, with the right to work in the UK, manned our factories.
Compare and contrast all of which with today's generation. Full of a sense of entitlement, every gizmo, every food fad on demand, never known hunger nor deprivation, you don't know you're born...
Nope! Thank you the go-getters of the World. There's nothing new under the sun.....
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