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Post by Ali on Jul 4, 2016 20:02:13 GMT 1
I wasn't allowed to vote. If I had ........... had ......... been allowed ..... I'd have voted to remain in. The UK is imploding, exploding, it hasn't a clue where it is or what it is and soon it'll only be England. However, je m'en fiche because I remain in Europe, where I will stay, here in France, and where I belong alongside many. Who the heck wants to live in an over-populated, over-commercialised, litter ridden, traffic jammed country where most vans have 2 working headlights that the uk has become?
I have read absolutely NOTHING that gives the uk (now reduced to little letters) any advantage or disadvantage whatsoever by it's 'alleged' departure from the EU. Nigel Farage has probably left (alongside all of the others) coz he is a pussy woosssy and suddenly has noticed the lack of confidence shown by the markets. Ooop là - "nous avons trompé" beyond belief.
As for your post BE, where on earth are you coming from with your 'short-term benefit' thingy ? I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say. What short-term benefit? Was there one/some towards whom was you post aimed? Are you refraining from further comment because you have nothing to say on the matter in hand, no further advice? Yours truly .......... confused.
(All of the above comments are just my ramblings, no humans or animals were harmed, and no intent to cause annoyance intended)
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Post by jackie on Jul 5, 2016 11:50:24 GMT 1
So you voted for the future bald eagle? Well despite the rosy picture the Daily Mail and Express have been painting of the uk post referendum, back in the real world the future is becoming reality and it's not looking good. Carney in his third address since the vote is desperately trying to mitigate the effects on the economy. Yes, the FTSE rose last week but was more due to all the billions Carney has had to find in his back pocket and speculative investing rather than 'isn't brexit a great thing' and there will continue to be huge volatility to come. Markets and exchange rates seem very abstract concepts but eventually peoples pockets will start feeling the effects, the low pound will mean goods and petrol prices will rise. This FT article makes very sobering reading but hey, what do they know www.ft.com/cms/s/2/0260242c-370b-11e6-9a05-82a9b15a8ee7.html#axzz4DWeDM2CbMeanwhile Christine Lagarde warns of a major hit to the UK's GDP m.uk.investing.com/news/economy-news/imf-chief-lagarde-sees-4.5-hit-to-u.k.-gdp,-uncertainty-is-watchword-113364 Yesterday Standard suspended trading in one of it's property funds. This is the kind of thing some peoples pensions funds are invested in Racist attacks have increased greatly since the vote...... Oh yes the construction industry is also going to be destroyed by Brexit uk.businessinsider.com/markit-and-cips-uk-construction-data-for-june-2016-7Looking great so far isn't it, the future....... As for Farage, he has spent the last 20 years of his life working towards this one goal but instead of seeing it through he bails out before the end as even though the vote was to leave it's by no means over yet. Article 50 still needs to be invoked and referendum result is by no means binding. Fortunately for democracy and sovereignty the UK is a parliamentary democracy which means that parliament has the last say otherwise an unscrupulous pm could just invoke referendums to override parliament. As for the referendum result itself it seems a lot of of disadvantaged people living in deprived areas who thought they had no voice and no control over their lives, blighted by the current governments austerity program, used this referendum as a protest. Also the right wing and UKIP preyed on peoples basic fears of people 'different' to them taking over their country and taking their jobs. The Eton bred arrogance of Cameron and Osbourne led them to believe they would never lose the referendum. Even Gove and Johnson never believed the vote would be to leave, they were using the whole thing to further their own political ambitions. Hence no plan and all the rats leaving the sinking ship as fast as their little legs can carry them.... What a shambles
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Post by bisdu on Jul 5, 2016 12:09:25 GMT 1
So you voted for the future ........... ............... Looking great so far isn't it, the future....... What a shambles Never mind Jackie, at least it was a great day for xenophobia
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Post by lib on Jul 5, 2016 19:23:27 GMT 1
More and more crap on this thread. I will and shall treat the vote to remain or leave as I always have done to life little surprises just get on with it and look after my own.
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Post by jackie on Jul 5, 2016 19:27:44 GMT 1
So what's 'crap' then lib?
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Post by lib on Jul 5, 2016 20:38:16 GMT 1
A steaming pile of pooh, thought someone as articulate as your self would know that.
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Post by jackie on Jul 5, 2016 20:47:27 GMT 1
What a cop out comment
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 21:10:33 GMT 1
Ok....lets keep it civil please...otherwise I'll send you both to the naughty step...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 10:20:18 GMT 1
Would like to express my appreciation for Jackie's main post (hitting 'Like' doesn't go far enough) and, perversely, for lib's humorous quip
Especially appreciate in Jackie's post the references cited to back up her views, and with them the effort that went into putting the post together. Can't help thinking that posts like that raise the credibility of the forum as a whole, and widen its appeal to potential new members.
Not that I agree with all/any of what she says. I see the Brexit debate as meaningless until negotiations are completed, and they haven't even started. I don't see current blips and jitters in markets as evidence of the future.
Not prepared to comment on those who claim an altruistic motive for voting 'Out'. You would not like my opinion.
Nor do I see the politicians as 'gutless'. I see them as astute, professional politicians. With the Nation divided down the middle the outcome of negotiations will also divide the Nation. It would be political suicide to be associated with those negotiations. So they're making a tactical withdrawal, not leaving a sinking ship. And returning to the electorate as not responsible. Mr Farage's reference to 'backsliding' in his message to the faithful anticipates the political fall-out. He's left the door wide open to come charging back and mop up.....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 11:40:44 GMT 1
Amazingly, I find myself agreeing with a good percentage of Annon's post. It's always best to back up your points with facts not rhetoric. Yes, arguing about the actual exit from the EU is by and large pointless right now. However, I think lots of members here were annoyed (if not outraged) by the way the campaigns of both factions were devoid of facts and in some cases littered with misleading information.
For the vote itself it seems ridiculous that expats who have been out of the country for more than 15 years are disenfranchised Luckily, I scraped a postal vote by a couple of months. I also think the age for voting in a referendum (and indeed voting in elections) should be lowered to 16.
Politicians : Astute? Yes, if they are looking to saving that particular source of income. Who knows what will happen to the political party set up in the UK. I wouldn't be surprised if Labour splits and the more moderate party members form a coalition with the Lib Dems. Will Farage 'charge back' with UKIP or shift over to a more right wing Tory party? Strange times are ahead....
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