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Post by bisdu on May 31, 2016 19:34:42 GMT 1
Was just chatting about brexit as we have not been keeping up with news this past week and was wondering how the news/polls were rating it. Looked on line and notice that according to a number of reports - in particular the guardian, the leave camp is gathering force and has overtaken the remain camp. Interesting, because if you check most of the bookies, they have the remain camp at nearly 80% .......? sports.ladbrokes.com/sports-central/uk-eu-referendum/
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Post by davidb5964 on May 31, 2016 19:36:37 GMT 1
Bit like the last election. Polls and news did not have a clue!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 11:23:34 GMT 1
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Post by JohnP on Jun 1, 2016 17:44:54 GMT 1
In my opinion a vote to leave the EU probably has more repercussions for the expat community than UK residents. Immigration is probably the biggest single factor influencing Voters in the UK while expats are concerned about the effect on pensions, exchange rates and various financial and medical reciprocal arrangements. A vote to stay in would mean that for the most part, things would stay the same. The status quo would continue to blame the EU for all the country's immigration problems whilst the government would continue to fail at every level to even manage the problem of around 1 million ILLEGAL immigrants caused by underfunding of the border agency and no workable system for repatriation. This problem has nothing to do with the EU although the clueless, spineless politicians are happy to deflect the blame for their crass incompetence on Europe. Whilst the argument continues with idiot gove and boris the clown spouting ever more outragous claims for the leave brigade, the truth is that this is a total unknown with no policies in place and no answers to even the most basic questions should the vote be to leave. The politicians are having a field day seeing an opportunity not for their country, but to further their own personal aspirations whilst generating unprecedented amounts of bullsh*t even my their standards. I believe that for my situation(an Expat living abroad approaching pensionable age)that my interests would be best served by a vote to stay in. I believe this offers some stability and given the lack of information available concerning an exit situation, it is a case of the devil you know
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Post by Ali on Jun 2, 2016 19:52:40 GMT 1
Oh JP I blardy love your politix posts You have a way with polytikital words I don't understand any of it tho. But, I am with you on the stay in. Coz of my dogs. Not being part of the EU must mean that if I took them back to blighty for their hollydays they'd need to stay 6 months in quarantine? The PETS passport for the EU would be defunct? How would we access our pensions (having spent a fortune whilst working over there in contributions) There are so many questions as yet unanswered for a brexit that I think that nobody really knows what could happen, without knowing what could happen if Brit Exits or stays then how can one vote? All that I've seen (and thats not much) is simply other peoples 'opinions'. There do not appear to be any concrete answers. If it comes to it and Brit does exit, I'll go for French nationality, can sprekken zeee lingo denada gracious and have proooof of stuff here for many years and if that doesn't work I have a back-up plan Therefore, I think, Brit will stay. Very blinkin interested in what others have to say on subject and big thanks to Bisdu for making thready thingy x
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Post by bisdu on Jun 2, 2016 21:15:00 GMT 1
Also considering the Nationality thingy if we were to leave, Ali
however - the original point of the post was to demonstrate the massive difference between the online polls and the bookies - never see a poor bookie, and the bookies didn't get rich by getting it wrong: however; polls are much more politically biased - just a thought.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 21:23:22 GMT 1
Polls also greatly depend on who they ask and how large a sample they use. I don't know about the nationality issue, in fact I have yet to see any 'facts' from either exit or remain camps. The only positive thing is that David Cameron did negotiate an agreement. Now, how valid that is and whether it has any meaning is a different matter. For the record, I'd vote to remain, purely on the basis that to exit is largely a leap into the unknown and most of what the Brexit group has said thus far is conjecture.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 22:34:00 GMT 1
As a UK tax payer ie based in the UK and living for the summer in Brittany I think I can be fairly sure that most of us are fed up with being the dumping ground for immigrants. That plus the infamous Human Rights legislation which means we cannot get rid of murderers and rapists back to the dump they came from. They have swamped every damn service we have and do not contribute much to the economy. Most of what they earn (Even child allowance awarded to children back in their home country!) goes back to their home country. Anyway enough from me, I'm voting for out and hoping that at least 50+% do the same.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 8:14:49 GMT 1
Leaving aside the immigration issue, the Human Rights Act was a UK law which came into force in October, 2000. It incorporated the European Convention on Human Rights into British Law. However, this convention covers more countries than the EU does and though it is closely allied to the EU, exiting Europe may not mean the UK can therefore opt out of the legislation.
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Post by littlemouse on Jun 3, 2016 12:03:08 GMT 1
My eastern european cousin expatriated himself to come to the UK,so he could have enough money to return back home to start his own company. It took ten years, the next question is where has his tax, national insurance contributions gone? Its gone to pay the the pensions of the very people who are the most vociferous in their condemnation of foreigners.Rather then slag off immigration you should be happy that they paying for your lifestyle.As the population ages and birth rate falls the only way to keep the system working is to have more immigration, not of graduates, but of normal people doing the jobs that cannot be filled by young people born in the UK.
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