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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 22:02:59 GMT 1
Fabulous.....At last a bit of action on the forum.....it's just what we need. Funny really these type of threads usually bring out the worst in pro invader bigot's pretty quickly but in this case it didn't really take off until BE spelt Muslim without a capital M
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Post by Ali on Nov 3, 2015 22:40:20 GMT 1
Oh crikes, I'm nul at all of this and totally out of date.
Must admit I was disappointed to see the 'news' tonight where a japanese lady, married and with family to an Englishman is being deported until she proves her 'right' to live in the UK.
Should the UK close it's doors tho? Per capita the French are taking on far more refugees than the UK is..... ok, the UK doesn't have much actual space spare these days aggggg
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Post by littlemouse on Nov 3, 2015 22:41:42 GMT 1
Does anyone understand the above post in light of previous comments ? Not as educated as you thought then.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 22:53:55 GMT 1
Oh crikes, I'm nul at all of this and totally out of date. Must admit I was disappointed to see the 'news' tonight where a japanese lady, married and with family to an Englishman is being deported until she proves her 'right' to live in the UK. Should the UK close it's doors tho? Per capita the French are taking on far more refugees than the UK is..... ok, the UK doesn't have much actual space spare these days aggggg I don't think the UK should close it's doors to genuine refugees, those fleeing war etc, but any people supposedly seeking sanctuary should be vetted first and the rest turned away.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2015 10:11:45 GMT 1
Funny really these type of threads usually bring out the worst in pro invader bigot's pretty quickly but in this case it didn't really take off until BE spelt Muslim without a capital M pandj : Maybe you should read the Oxford Dictionary's definition of bigotry : "In English the word "bigot" refers to a person whose habitual state of mind includes an obstinate, irrational, or unfair intolerance of ideas, opinions, or beliefs that differ from their own, and intolerance of the people who hold them." When you began this thread, you entitled it, "Finally somebody sees it as it is" and posted a link to an article published by the knights templar international organisation. You then followed it up a little further on by posting a video lifted from the knights templar site about anti refugee protests in Estonia. Knights Templar appear to be a bigoted, far right, white supremacist organisation. That's only my opinion of course and it's been formed after researching articles about both sides of the argument. As to the initial post : Yes, the French should have cleared out the camp at Calais long ago. It's become an intolerable situation and it needs joint action from both the French and British governments to process everyone there stringently and if they have no means of supporting themselves in the UK (either with a job or having sufficient funds) they should be repatriated. The people in the camp at Calais should not be classed in with genuine refugees.
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Post by JohnP on Nov 4, 2015 11:11:29 GMT 1
Sadly these kind of discussions tend to drift towards the realms of sarcasm and trying to put people into various boxes for holding opinions. I am sure it will not be long before someone plays the racist card.
I feel strongly about this as many do, I think it is a situation that has been allowed to happen by inactive politicians who cannot see beyond the end of their nose and months down the line they still have no plan of action to deal with the problem. If not wanting to see Europe overwhelmed by a mixture of refugees and illegal immigrants who for the most part don't share the beliefs or culture of the countries they are invading is being racist then I hold my hands up!
I cannot see how any invasion of this magnitude can benefit the host countries or the incomers in either the short term or the long term. The whole of Europe is only just out of recession, indeed some countries such as Greece are still in serious trouble. Every country has imposed austerity measures on their citizens to various degrees which have caused serious and deep cuts in social services, healthcare, policing and education budgets. No one to my knowledge has yet said where the finance necessary to cope with what is happening is going to come from. How are countries with a serious housing crisis and crumbling healthcare systems going to cope with the extra demands which thousands of extra people are going to place on it. Surely whatever your view, these are questions which need to be addressed and quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2015 12:15:56 GMT 1
I know the definition of bigot, it is not a word I like to see used in a discussion, in fact I only used the word because somebody else had used it previously and I wanted to make clear that it can apply to both sides of an argument. If I remember correctly it was Gordon Brown who once referred to a member of the public as a bigot, the only reason he did so was because he could not answer her question so just rolled out the usual PC rubbish, he quite rightly had to apologise.
Often words are rolled out just for effect, such as bigot, racist, Nazi etc.
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Post by jackie on Nov 4, 2015 19:12:02 GMT 1
I understand what JohnP is saying but surely it's not morally right to turn our back on these people, yes, understand that there are going to be some badun's amongst them but is this a reason to turn away the rest?
As for austerity and cash strapped Europe, well Greece is the most cash-strapped of all and all the refugees are landing on their door step, surely the richer European countries should help out more. As for austerity, this is not an economic necessity but a political choice. Many top economists say that austerity is not the way to get us out of the economic mess we are in which was caused by the greed of financial institutions. But that's a whole other discussion
Also this refugee situation is largely OUR, the Wests fault. We have been meddling in the Middle East for decades, in cultures we don't understand and trying to enforce our Western ideals upon them. At the end of WW2 the GB and France carved up the Middle East between them with only their needs in mind and ignored the needs of the people in those countries. And then came the phoney wars in Iraq and Afghanistan instigated by Bush and Blair to make money for Cheney's Haliburton and other huge corporations owned by Bush's cronies who just happened to be the same cronies his dad had. Oh the first Gulf war, google that and find out all the lies that led to it. Then came the removal of powerful dictators, who, although not particurlarly nice guys themselves, kept things stable. Let's give them all our idea of democracy the USA cried, not understanding that all this was doing was creating a power vacuum and hello, ISIS a fundamentalist group of bandits that have as much to do with Islam as Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeldand co have to do with Christianity. Even Blair has finally admitted he has to take some responsibilty for their rise.
Anyway, it's a godawful mess but making it into some modern day crusade - Christians v Muslims ain't gonna help solve anything
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2015 20:02:31 GMT 1
Thought it may be of interest for people to read the article from Knights Templar accompanying the Russia Today video posted on the 27th of October about anti refugee protesters in Estonia. www.knightstemplarinternational.com/videos-now-its-estonia-saying-no-to-national-suicide-islamisation-and-yes-to-survival-as-a-free-white-christian-nation/If using terms such as 'free white Christian nation' isn't tantamount to racism I don't know what is. Labelling any ethnic group as 'fast breeding', is not only incorrect (unless there is proof that a female Muslim pregnancy lasts only six months) but insulting. The Catholic church has always been anti contraception (which they call sinful), therefore should Catholics also be labelled 'fast breeders? Later the article mentions Estonia legalizing homsexual marriage and says it's following the 'West's model for decline'. I'll leave you to read the article and come to your own conclusions....
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Post by jackie on Nov 4, 2015 20:50:29 GMT 1
The video 'The invasion Of Europe' posted on here on the 29th Oct put me in mind of scaremongering National Socalism anti-Jewish propaganda peddled by Hitlers mob in the 1930's. To all those embracing similar right wing beliefs now ( and they are similar, don't kid yourselves, history has a habit of repeating itself) just remember that poppy you probably wear with pride represents lives that were lost fighting against exactly the same idealogy
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