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Post by JohnP on Jul 8, 2013 18:53:43 GMT 1
Already Andy Murray is being suggested for a knighthood. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying he doesn't deserve one but should they be given to people in their twenties? Granted Sports people have a limited period where they can be top of their game but they can go on to be coaches, managers and commentators.
Handing out honours like sweets as happened after the Olympics last year, devalues it for not only the recipient but for those who already hold it. The likes of Parkinson and Bruce Forsyth, Shirley Bassey etc gave a lifetime to their fields before being recognised so I think a knighthood or damehood(is that correct?), which is probably the top civilian award, should only be given to those in their fifties and beyond. Where is Sir Bradley Wiggins now or Sir Chris Hoye?
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Post by bisdu on Jul 8, 2013 19:22:29 GMT 1
The answer is no - because I don't really think anyone should get one - outdated snobbery.
However, given that these things will continue to exist I suggest you put tht question to the 17.3 million people who watched it on the bbc yesterday afternoon and most of whom, I imagine, were delighted with the result, whether they are tennis fans or not. I think it is a matter of National pride like the sportsmen who did so well in the olympics.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2013 20:53:31 GMT 1
I've got no problem with recognising achievement, publically and formally. I'm not with you, bisdu, on such awards perpetuating snobbery. I think that within my lifetime the class distinction associated with honours has gone, and I'm grateful for that.
I've just checked my temperature to see if it was normal. I thought I must be unwell because I find myself agreeing with JohnP. A lifetime of achievement is indeed more meritorious than a few excellent performances in the flush of youth, IMO, and seemingly, in JohnP's too...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2013 21:28:51 GMT 1
It's a very noteworthy, hard earned, meritorious achievement. However, Andy has quite a few years left to win more. He may win other majors, maybe even Wimbledon a couple of more times and then decide to retire. That would be the time to accord him an honour but not now when he is still young.
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Post by lib on Jul 8, 2013 21:33:25 GMT 1
No problem with an award for the Guy ....... but please note the 'photo opportunity ' that Cameron got in right away.
The 'Establishment' does hope that some of the glamour rubs off on them ....... or am I a little cynical?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2013 21:38:34 GMT 1
No problem with an award for the Guy ....... but please note the 'photo opportunity ' that Cameron got in right away. The 'Establishment' does hope that some of the glamour rubs off on them ....... or am I a little cynical? You are......but rightly so. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2013 21:47:38 GMT 1
Giving them to mere babes,seems to cheapen them,IMHO.
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Post by bisdu on Jul 9, 2013 12:19:24 GMT 1
On reflection I think I rather overstated my case earlier.
I have absolutely no objection to people who deserve honours getting them - I think the problem is the word 'deserving'.
The likes of the mother Teresa type people who worked tirelessly to help others - all those people that we have never heard of who are nominated by the public I am happy to acknowledge.
My problem is giving yet more to people who have already been amply rewarded for their 'achievement' - particularly actors, singers etc and some sportsmen.
My even bigger problem is with political nominees who have as good as bought their honours.
Oh and if people agree with honours I cannot understand why being young should preclude you from deserving one.
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Post by JohnP on Jul 9, 2013 13:18:43 GMT 1
I don't think being young should preclude you from getting an honour, just Knighthood/Damehood. There are loads of lesser honours which can be bestowed, MBE,OBE etc. If you give someone in their 20,s the top honour and they go on to even greater things in later life how can the country show it's appreciation.
I don't recognise politicians with Knighthoods, Lordships etc, they give them to each other just for being there, they are as worthless as the people who receive them.
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