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Post by JohnP on Dec 4, 2011 17:32:59 GMT 1
I am sick of listening to Cameron and his puppet Clegg telling us in their normal pompous, arrogant and patronising fashion that "we are all in this together" whilst being lambasted by the other bunch of idiots who after years of crass mismanagement, left the mess we are currently in. I will consider there to be some truth in this statement when there is a freeze on MP's pay and a cut in their pension rights to the same extent as that being imposed on public sector workers. I totally agree that the country cannot afford the present pension system but let us see some leadership from the front, leadership by example and by those who can afford it. After all what are MP's if not public sector workers, albeit useless totally unproductive ones Where is Guy Fawkes when you need him most!
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Post by Pasha on Dec 4, 2011 18:04:03 GMT 1
Hi johnp-- well today is elections in this fare land --and they gonna have some results soon mmmm wonder who will win? ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2012 22:03:03 GMT 1
Blimey, Johnp.
If Mr Cameron - it's always good to be polite, and use the gentleman's title - were to impose a freeze on MP's I'd see it as a cheap political stunt. Much better to attack the Tory's ownership of 80% of the land in England - the most socially-divisive, economically-crippling class-perpetuating nest-feathering tax of the landless poor....
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Post by JohnP on Jan 4, 2012 9:47:45 GMT 1
To use the term Mister indicates respect and in my book, respect has to be earned. Unfortunately, after a lifetime of being lied to and let down by politicians of all parties, I have nothing but total and utter contempt for every one of them. They are nothing but self opinionated, arrogant, greedy, and selfish liers who protect and reward themselves and others of their ilk for crass incompetence and blatant greed. Mister? I don't think so
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Post by Ali on Jan 5, 2012 23:28:20 GMT 1
I've got no educated position on any of this but what I would like to say is that "we are all in this together" is most probably right.
I can only assume that you're relating to the downturn of the economy?
The mess that the western world is in is more than likely down to greed and over-spending on credit and I don't think that has been down to any one country or any one politician.
I still think that China has all the money...........
I quite like the 'Free Dictionarys' interpretation of politician and it is this - "The art or science of government or governing, especially the governing of a political entity, such as a nation, and the administration and control of its internal and external affairs."
I beleive that generally the administration and control financially is out of the hands of the UK, equally out of the hands of France and in general the Western world. I beleive that all that can be done is firefight and make the best out of a current poor situation which affects millions of people.
I'd be interested also to know where the 80% of land-ownership by 'tories' comes from too anon? But in essence that is, in my view, irrelevant to todays financial situation.
Where does the French government stand? We're seeing increased taxation across the board, increased prices for general life shopping, increased prices for general living, huge increases in insurance, social contributions and new taxes levied here there and everywhere.
For ex-pats relying on pensions I can only wish that GBP strengthens against the euro. Yes, its ok at the moment but only about where it was over winter 2010.
Who is 'we' ?
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Post by JohnP on Jan 6, 2012 11:54:49 GMT 1
I don't have an educated position on any of this either. I just see the people who do supposedly have that position failing the rest of us miserably and sharing none of the pain.
I find the present situation I find myself in, along with many others, very depressing and I probably don't have a balanced view anymore. Maybe I am just looking for someone to blame. One thing is for sure that no amount of shouting by the likes of me is going to change anything so I guess the best thing to do is shut up.
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Post by Ali on Jan 6, 2012 12:54:15 GMT 1
Nooooooo don't 'shut up' ;D Its a great debate.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2012 0:37:01 GMT 1
Ok, just to clarify, the 80% land-ownership thingy comes from the published fact that only 2% of the population in the Uk own that land, historically mis-appropriated and given to the ruling class of the day. Where I come from, up North, there are country lanes still bearing French names eg Durton lane, from D'Urton, i.e. from the time of the Norman Conquest. My grandmother, an ignorant peasant, used to say 'San fairy Ann' - meaning 'Ca ne fait rien' - 'it doesn't matter', a throwback from when local land was held by French-speaking Lords, and is still held today by the same class. They're all Tories, to a man.
And basic economics teaches us that all wealth, all real wealth, not the stuff they make in the City of London, derives from land. When so much land is held in the hands of so few, not only social injustice but real economic consequences are felt by the many - houses are dearer in the Uk because available land is scarcer.
But we in the Uk are apolitical - we don't even vote half the time - whereas everywhere else in the world Land Reform - the redistribution of land, and therefore wealth,- is what starts revolutions.
So, Ali, what I say is relevant to the topic here. As a nation we can't afford much for the many because so much is owned by the few.
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Post by Cheeky Chops on Jan 7, 2012 23:14:59 GMT 1
I'm quite happy with the fact that the politicians get quite a good salary. If they didn't get so much I reckon they would be bigger swindling rhoobarbs than they already are. Yup! I'm taking the pragmatic approach.
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Post by JohnP on Jan 17, 2012 7:44:36 GMT 1
Oh it just gets better. latest from the asylum of Westminster, In the worst recession since the second world war, certain MP's are suggesting that the country wants to give the Queen another royal yacht. Apart from the fact that it would probably take at least 3 years to design and build which would make the Queen 88 and her sidekick 93, how can they seriously think that a country that is cutting thousands of public sector jobs, social care, benefits for cancer patients and the disabled and all manner of other basic needs, that the Queen, one of the richest women in the country, should be given a new yacht? Even if the private sector pay for it, it is the taxpayer that will end up paying the running costs.
Can someone explain to Michael Gove and the rest of the idiots, the meaning of debt crisis, Perhaps even explain that if they succeed in bankrupting the country, their little world of la la land where everyone is born with a silver spoon in their mouths, has a million + in their bank accounts and money grows on trees, will come crashing down too. God help us! no wonder Scotland wants Independence.
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