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Post by littlemouse on Nov 15, 2015 11:55:06 GMT 1
Its underlined for you in my post about the syrian passeport. Vindicated not at all. You need to get your facts straight before pointing the finger.This is a waiting game not a jump to conclusions game, in the months ahead the true facts will come out not half truths and wild speculations from a knee jerk reaction.Think on!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 13:05:49 GMT 1
This response to a Telegraph article this morning has since been deleted, I wonder why.
""Why didn't Paris know this was coming?", asks the Telegraph..
The answer is a simple one: it didn't want to know. Many throughout Europe - from East European leaders to security services to ordinary citizens have said again and again that mass uncontrolled immigration (particularly from the Islamic world) was reckless and dangerous.
Of course, we're all branded as xenophobic, inhumane racists. Well, there you go.
The attacks on Paris make me angry. This could be my friends, my family. But what do our governments do? They stand on a podium with the usual platitudes. They declare war on IS. Do they really not understand who they're fighting? Or are they just trying to keep the majority in the dark?
IS is not an organisation. There are no membership application forms, you don't have to pay to join up. IS is an idea, that's how it spreads, even to those places with no connection. You could kill every IS fighter today, but tomorrow there'd be thousands fighting again.
How so? Because the elephant in the room that no government who wishes to be reelected can say is that every isolated Islamic community - Luton, Tower Hamlets, Rotherham, Bradford, etc - contains a large proportion of people who support IS. They do not want to integrate. They dislike our culture and values. Eventually, they will kill to get their way. It's inevitable.
In France, take a close look at their cities - not only Paris, but Marseiile, Toulouse, Lille, Reims, Lyon. It's a disaster.
For me, I'll stand shoulder to shoulder with France once they get a grip of security in these places. And especially when they shut down the Jungle at Calais - I for one, for the sake of my family, friends and country - do not want their problems exported across the channel.
It's time to call a spade a spade and deal with the problem at home before bombing Syria or Iraq."
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Post by JohnP on Nov 15, 2015 13:29:52 GMT 1
Its underlined for you in my post about the syrian passeport. Vindicated not at all. You need to get your facts straight before pointing the finger.This is a waiting game not a jump to conclusions game, in the months ahead the true facts will come out not half truths and wild speculations from a knee jerk reaction.Think on! And while you and all the politicians sit on their hands isis are busy planning their next attack Your article says the Syrian passport was found close to the body of one of the suicide bombers. Well if he blew himself up the chances are it wouldn't be on his body. Do you seriously think that another Syrian just happened to drop their passport(which matches the age range outlined by eye witnesses) next to the body between the time the bomb was detonated and the police arriving?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 14:24:56 GMT 1
I had hoped this thread would not wander into finger pointing and polemics. Sadly it seems it cannot. I'm not adding to this 'discussion' any more but will leave you with a few lines I wrote this morning...
November 13th...
Weep for Paris, Weep for France, Weep for the children Who will never dance. Weep for the innocents Who died on the street. And weep for those who know only hate.
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Post by happygirl on Nov 15, 2015 14:50:32 GMT 1
Strange how Jackie & Littlemouse always post together on threads !I stand with Pandj,John P and France,write loads of sonnets and poems,but i for one will not weep for an IS terrorist that is full of hatred.
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Post by jackie on Nov 15, 2015 19:00:50 GMT 1
Why is that strange? Can you not cope with more than one person having opposing views to yours?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 21:11:46 GMT 1
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Post by Ali on Nov 15, 2015 21:37:44 GMT 1
France v England, Wembley, Nov 17th 2015 ......... the match is going ahead. I would be sure that every politician, police force, and security are doing their level best to protect each and every person within their respective country and share information outside. Have we all already forgotten 2004 the worst previous terrorist attack within Europe ..... in Madrid, Spain? 181 dead and over 2,000 injured ( Al Qaeda were deemed responsible, tho allegedly it was a 'cell') 2005 London bombings - 56 dead, 700 injured.... by allegedly Islamist extremists. Surely it cannot be easy for security services to be in the position to protect everyone all over the world at any one time against terrorism. I prefer freedom of living, freedom of travel. I don't want to be chipped or filmed. One large drop of something nasty in one of the reservoirs that serves London (under the Heathrow flight path) could drop millions of people - how could that be prevented? A lorry diesel tank filled with Avgas set on fire in the middle of the Channel Tunnel.... A lock on all radar and radio info for incoming aircraft into a busy airport..... Just where does one look for these threats? They are, sadly, everywhere. I don't know what my point is and I'm not sure I have one, however, I am over-whelmed with the possibilities of such disasters and how on earth they can be foretold. (PS: To HG: Jackie and Littlemouse live 100's of miles apart (I have access to everyones Ip addresses which is a bit of a giveaway) if they post on the same thread then it must be that they have opinions too )
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Post by happygirl on Nov 15, 2015 21:54:18 GMT 1
Do a king Herod against all Muslims.(should liven up the thread)
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Post by happygirl on Nov 15, 2015 22:00:38 GMT 1
Well said Brigitte.
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