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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2011 21:36:56 GMT 1
Toxic chemicals drift a long, long way ....
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Post by Ali on Oct 3, 2011 21:39:07 GMT 1
Toxic chemicals drift a long, long way .... Love you annon
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2011 21:54:03 GMT 1
Dear Ali,
Just hurried back from the local lap-dancing club - do you have those in Brittany ?- because I couldn't get any sense out of the girls when I asked them about green manures. I didn't mind them not knowing anything but when 'Chantelle' told me to 'Bog off you perv!... or I'll get the bouncers ' I decided that you were the only 'chick' I was going to get even the faintest glimmer of sense out of...
And that 'Chantelle' seemed like a really nice little thing when I was giving her crisp banknotes....
Anyway, when I review your latest 'contributions' am not now so sure that they qualify for the 'faintest glimmer of sense' accolade. What farmer, in his right mind, is going to splash out on nitrates for a green manure crop then wave goodbye to those nitrates as they float downstream to the sea?
Green manures are supposed to mop up spare nitrates, not new ones, before they get washed away. It's utter madness to suggest that farmers will add more nitrates to support a green manure crop.
No, as a rule of thumb, if weeds will grow then there's enough already in the soil to support green manures. And if weeds won't grow, you're living too close to Chernobyl!
Ps: I'm starting to like your funny faces, especially when they blow kisses, and they seem that bit more sincere than 'Chantelle'!
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Post by Madame Moorhen on Oct 5, 2011 6:47:07 GMT 1
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Post by troll on Oct 5, 2011 7:45:09 GMT 1
I dont' have a whole plot spare at one time, MM . Dear Francois has persuaded me to sow avoine wherever I have a few feet vacant over the autmn/winter months. It makes sense for me, as my potager is on a slope, and heavy winter rains could well wash precious soil away, never mind the nutrients!!!
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Post by Elkay on Oct 5, 2011 12:06:14 GMT 1
I didn't know about using avoine, so last year I bought a box of phalacie from Point Vert. I only used a little as, like Troll, I didn't sow it on a great big empty plot, but just where I wasn't growing anything edible. I have to say that the stuff that I grew on the plot after digging in the green manure grew exceptionally well, so this year I shall use some more. Maybe once I've used the whole boxful I will change to growing oats.
LK
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Post by Ali on Oct 5, 2011 22:58:33 GMT 1
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The local farmers have done just that. Late summer was perfect with a good dampening. Seems to have worked pretty well over here, 5 or so inches of good green manure already, so yes, it appears to work, I pretty much think there is indeed bulk already.
Autumn rains? We've had a better summer from end of Sept to now than we did in July or August. I guess one has to be here to understand.
"Nature does nothing uselessly." Aristotle
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2011 8:33:10 GMT 1
Wasn't disputing your farmers' success Ali! Have done the same with borage, as a green manure, following unseasonal rain, moving with the rythm. The original principle still holds, though, that even if land becomes bare in late summer it's better to wait for rain before sowing green manures.
When we consider Troll's experience with avoine, and Elkay's with phacelia, the case for sowing this stuff looks increasingly strong...
Only by posting can all these points come out!
Best wishes
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Post by Madame Moorhen on Oct 6, 2011 9:21:08 GMT 1
I have self seeded 2nd generation (this year) borage everywhere! First lot has been and gone so the bees are still happy. Darn weed. ;D I also have chickweed as my green manure.
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Post by Fli on Oct 14, 2011 16:34:43 GMT 1
Specs we will all have exotic plant seeds on the next swop
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