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Post by ianh on Jul 6, 2011 8:58:55 GMT 1
Separation to that degree is bordering on a state of mental illness? Yes, but probably the only way that Humans with a conscience can function. I hmm with lib about this one - surely a conscience should come into play in the workplace too, and if, as I believe, the laws of Karma do exist, they will not separate personal and public actions.
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Post by troll on Jul 6, 2011 10:09:00 GMT 1
I think we'll get a thwacking for going "off topic" ! Separating "work" and "private" personae isn't always a bad thing. I'm sure we can all think of examples where very difficult decisions "for the greater good " have to be made. (No, I don't include anyone involved in phone hacking in this category). The people who make those decisions have to live with themselves somehow.
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Post by ianh on Jul 6, 2011 11:42:57 GMT 1
Of course you have to separate work and private personae - if only to satisfy work rules. There are lots of things I do in private that I wouldn't do at work, especially when I was doing very different stuff in the UK, although sometimes the lines did get very blurred.
But leaving your conscience and principles at home is not one of them. Lots of people do have to make difficult decisions - surely they will only be able to live with themselves afterwards if they have followed their conscience and not political expediency, profit, ambition etc.?
Still humming with lib here.
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Post by jockanese on Jul 6, 2011 14:06:27 GMT 1
In suggesting that the NoW be shut down I was playing devil's advocate, as I suspect other posters understood.
However, for as long as I can remember it's been a paper which has fed on prurience and dirt.
As Lib says ''Nobody ever went broke underestimating Public taste'.
However, the Murdoch press has taken British journalism by the scruff of the neck and driven it face-first into the gutter.
The cry of 'public interest' has resulted in innocent people being pilloried - witness Rebecca Wade's 'campaign against paedophiliacs during which the house of a paediatrician was attacked by a mob which didn't know the difference.
It used to be illegal to publish photographs or details of suspects before or during a trial -now it is the norm.
What happened to the concept of 'innocent until proven guilty'?
Then there's the ridiculous situation where senior politicians invite the editor of the Sun round to tea to court his or her support at election time.
Just how low has British politics sunk when a rag like that can influence politicians and election results?
I am indeed a retired journalist; a former editor of two local papers, and I've never had a crisis of conscience with any story that I ran - but on the other hand I don't think I'd last five minutes with that attitude on a national.
The hacking issue has brought to the fore the growing level of abuse of press freedom. It's time, surely to put the newspaper industry in its place.
And a few jailings of senior staff might help to drive home the point.
Time for a cold shower, methinks.....
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Post by ianh on Jul 6, 2011 14:32:35 GMT 1
I suspect this is a watershed in terms of how the press operate. I also suspect, and hope, that senior figures will end up in jail for this. I also hope that, not only will the growing list of advertisers cancel their contracts, but also that growing numbers of subscribers will cancel their subscriptions.
But I bet it's not just the NOW who are worried - diminishing newspaper sales have led to a situation where editors are desperate for scoops (likened yesterday by one commentator on the radio to sharks in an ever evaporating feeding pool). I'm sure a few legal corners have been cut elsewhere, especially in the tabloids.
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Post by jockanese on Jul 6, 2011 14:55:43 GMT 1
In suggesting that the NoW be shut down I was playing devil's advocate, as I suspect other posters understood.
However, for as long as I can remember it's been a paper which has fed on prurience and dirt.
As Lib says ''Nobody ever went broke underestimating Public taste'.
However, the Murdoch press has taken British journalism by the scruff of the neck and driven it face-first into the gutter.
The cry of 'public interest' has resulted in innocent people being pilloried - witness Rebecca Wade's 'campaign against paedophiliacs during which the house of a paediatrician was attacked by a mob which didn't know the difference.
It used to be illegal to publish photographs or details of suspects before or during a trial -now it is the norm.
What happened to the concept of 'innocent until proven guilty'?
Then there's the ridiculous situation where senior politicians invite the editor of the Sun round to tea to court his or her support at election time.
Just how low has British politics sunk when a rag like that can influence politicians and election results?
I am indeed a retired journalist; a former editor of two local papers, and I've never had a crisis of conscience with any story that I ran - but on the other hand I don't think I'd last five minutes with that attitude on a national.
The hacking issue has brought to the fore the growing level of abuse of press freedom. It's time, surely to put the newspaper industry in its place.
And a few jailings of senior staff might help to drive home the point.
Time for a cold shower, methinks.....
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Post by jockanese on Jul 6, 2011 17:51:00 GMT 1
Paedophiliacs? I really must lay off the vin rouge....
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Post by ianh on Jul 6, 2011 18:48:53 GMT 1
Not only that, you repeated it Jock.
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Post by jockanese on Jul 6, 2011 23:31:55 GMT 1
Ni I didn't; my mouse burped.
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Post by ianh on Jul 7, 2011 0:17:45 GMT 1
Tell your mouse to lay off the rouge. Otherwise I'll bring my whisky sodden cat round to sort him out.
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